Curse

Fox Reeveheart · Oct 07, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

hugging a wall is not some achievement. if you went down every corridor and passage way that should be achievement enough don't you think?

Lady Ana Stacia · Oct 07, 2007, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Ok, so you have to clear the starter Island that ANet tells you not to bother witht to begin with. (There's nothing for you there! Why bother? Keep your arse on the mainland where it belongs, furiner! ~ Pretty sure that is what the guy means at the transition dock.)

Then you have all your areas that are locked out, but you can get this extra part of someone's faction earned town if you kill the priest and death charge with the merchant into their restricted area. O, another restricted area that we can get content credit for,

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And no, I don't believe going with a group into the "furiners not allowed" or "furiners get deloused here" stations is an exploit. It is a part of the ANet, by-gosh and by-golly we will make those pukes party with people they don't know or don't like one way or t'other.

There should be an NPC granting access to areas for mapping purposes so that they can be explored without interfering with the activities of people there. One should not have to go into Vizunah (the other quarter) with the intention of joining a group to map in and explore at the expense of mission rating or success. One should not have to join in to Ft Aspenwood or Jade Quarry and run around saying, "I'm Immune - I'm only here to map. Don't kill me." There is no part of the content area that can be revealed, even for the shear enjoyment of revealing the pretty map, that should not have simple access without interfering with other people's game.

Fitz, Cartographer title is not given it is earned, if you can't deal with what it takes without blowing a fuse why bother doing it? Especially something that is purely OPTIONAL and not required in any sense rather then for a self accomplishment.

If you don't like it, don't do it...We all hav choices in life/game and this is one of those times. I will repeat again the EXPLOITS are NOT necessary to achieve 100%.

This game is meant for enjoyment purposes and if you can't enjoy this part of it so be it. Just move on to something that doesn't piss you off so bad.

Oofus · Oct 07, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Seriously, do you do anything besides cry and whine about everything and anything about GW? If GW sucks sooo badly, as you clearly believe from your multitude of bitch-fest posts, then go do something else and stop crying.

Fitz Rinley · Oct 07, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

hugging a wall is not some achievement. if you went down every corridor and passage way that should be achievement enough don't you think?

This is the core of it the difference. The hard core masochists want everyone else to have to left-step-left, which I have done through all of Cantha that is reachable, in order to get the title. Frankly, my characters were mapping before there was a title, and all of my characters will continue to map whether they get a title or not. And certainly, those that have a bent toward the ranger profession will do so as a priority. A part of being an adventurer is to adventure.

However, the question is should the title be about grind or event achievement. ANet has made some wonderful advances in the gaming industry with the instancing and the flex system of attributes and skills. They are still caught in a rut on traditional gaming grind and rewards systems. Players are still being rewarded only on a grading curve (PvP) or on grind festing. Cartography is currenly nothing more than how many pixels can you grind and has nothing to do with enoying the scenery the dedicated staff put together. Only the quests Charting the Forest and Charting the Jade Sea come close. Should five points in a region be sufficient to equal cartogragphy for that region? - maybe for Shadow's Passage. (I am not sure it is big enough for 6.) I would agree that if a character has passed down all the regularly accessible areas, going behind the Lich, running up the hall you are banished too, walking all the paths in Fire Islands, etc. that should be sufficient to have been there, seen that, done that.

What I am frequently running into is: Well, you dont need this 0.5% here, or that 0.5% there, or this other 0.5% over in this spot, and this 0.5% up there can be skipped, and .... If you add together everyone's advice you can skill 10% to 20% of the game and get 100%. This is not true. Access is unreasonably restricted. Access relies on interupting or undermining other people's efforts at mission accomplishment, bonus achievement, or competitve battle effort. Areas held against the player are restricted, such as the board walk and foreigner/local quarters. To make up for the lack of supporting regular game play action, special mapping techniques, outside programs, and exploits are recommended.

All of this is wrong. And those who support it are wrong.

hopefulliness · Oct 07, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

God...will you ever just shut up, you've made 3 threads complaining about the stupidest stuff. Each time every1 told you to stfu and yet you still complain, personally, im looking forward to when you get banned.

Lady Ana Stacia · Oct 07, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

This is the core of it the difference. The hard core masochists want everyone else to have to left-step-left, which I have done through all of Cantha that is reachable, in order to get the title. Frankly, my characters were mapping before there was a title, and all of my characters will continue to map whether they get a title or not. And certainly, those that have a bent toward the ranger profession will do so as a priority. A part of being an adventurer is to adventure.

However, the question is should the title be about grind or event achievement. ANet has made some wonderful advances in the gaming industry with the instancing and the flex system of attributes and skills. They are still caught in a rut on traditional gaming grind and rewards systems. Players are still being rewarded only on a grading curve (PvP) or on grind festing. Cartography is currenly nothing more than how many pixels can you grind and has nothing to do with enoying the scenery the dedicated staff put together. Only the quests Charting the Forest and Charting the Jade Sea come close. Should five points in a region be sufficient to equal cartogragphy for that region? - maybe for Shadow's Passage. (I am not sure it is big enough for 6.) I would agree that if a character has passed down all the regularly accessible areas, going behind the Lich, running up the hall you are banished too, walking all the paths in Fire Islands, etc. that should be sufficient to have been there, seen that, done that.

What I am frequently running into is: Well, you dont need this 0.5% here, or that 0.5% there, or this other 0.5% over in this spot, and this 0.5% up there can be skipped, and .... If you add together everyone's advice you can skill 10% to 20% of the game and get 100%. This is not true. Access is unreasonably restricted. Access relies on interupting or undermining other people's efforts at mission accomplishment, bonus achievement, or competitve battle effort. Areas held against the player are restricted, such as the board walk and foreigner/local quarters. To make up for the lack of supporting regular game play action, special mapping techniques, outside programs, and exploits are recommended.

All of this is wrong. And those who support it are wrong.

Actually you're wrong. Cartographer is not in any way an event nor should it be rewarded as one. Nor does it withhold a reward from anyone that doesn't have it that effects gameplay. Cartographer is a title for those who CHOOSE to put the time and effort involved in achieving it.

If you had reached and uncovered all ACCESSIBLE area's you would be at 100% just like everyone else who has received 100% Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer.

Mapping also does not require anything that would in anyway hinder anyone else's play style nor undermine any of their efforts. There are hero's and hench in this game for a reason. Use them and mapping area's will not hurt any player in this game at all.

Cartographer also does NOT require the use of mods, tools or anything else. They are an option for those seeking the title but no one is mandated to use them nor are they required to be used to reach 100%.

In the end Fitz it is you who is wrong, not the title nor Anet for implementing it. Nothing is withheld from you nor anyone else.

If you CHOOSE to do cartographer don't get upset and bitter and demand it be changed when you are obviously having issues with reaching 100%.

Also, why shouldn't there be things in game for hardcore players as well as casual? Being hard core nets no ingame difference other then maybe some eye candy and a title below your name. There is absolutely nothing that gives us "hardcore" players benefits in this game.

Fitz Rinley · Oct 07, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Lady Ana Stacia

Actually you're wrong.

No I am not, and here is why.

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Cartographer is not in any way an event nor should it be rewarded as one.

I did not state that is was an event. But I have now, in several places indicated that the limited mind-sets of grading players on the curve and grindfesting pull down the potential of Guild Wars. You confuse the two by not paying attention.

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Nor does it withhold a reward from anyone that doesn't have it that effects gameplay. Cartographer is a title for those who CHOOSE to put the time and effort involved in achieving it.

It does however withhold a rewarding effect that Affects game play. Namely, the clearing of the map - title or not, and the setting up of points value in HoM for GW2. Hence, it is now a device for elitist snobs in denigrating other players rather than something which all players have and can readily, through reasonable, In-Game (and through game only) play get.

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If you had reached and uncovered all ACCESSIBLE area's you would be at 100% just like everyone else who has received 100% Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer.

This is a lie. I have reached and uncovered everything available on the same maps on the net, with the exception of 0.3% in the Boardwalk that was locked off during the Dragonfest.

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Mapping also does not require anything that would in anyway hinder anyone else's play style nor undermine any of their efforts. There are hero's and hench in this game for a reason. Use them and mapping area's will not hurt any player in this game at all.

Very well. I will load up with Heroes and Henchies and bop into Vizunah Square. When the mission starts I will start mapping to my hearts content and ignore the other team completely; afterall my mapping will have not affect the outcome of the mission whatsoever according to you.

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Cartographer also does NOT require the use of mods, tools or anything else. They are an option for those seeking the title but no one is mandated to use them nor are they required to be used to reach 100%.

But as soon as you do not have 100% the standard response is - O, well I used this mod. O, well I used this exploit. O, well I used this ... You should do that. And frankly, no I should not. I should have regular access through normal means of game play if the area is one where I can be held accountable for it.

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Also, why shouldn't there be things in game for hardcore players as well as casual? Being hard core nets no ingame difference other then maybe some eye candy and a title below your name. There is absolutely nothing that gives us "hardcore" players benefits in this game.

So, you put your panties on better than anyone else. Good to know you are better than Jesus. J.P. Morgan was ask why he thought money was so important by a reporter. He responded, "Would you sleep with me for $1,000,000.00" She said she would. He said, "How about $50.00. She said, "Certainly not, what kind of woman do you think I am." J.P. answered, "We have already established that, now we are just haggling over price." To go with that I also saw an adult entertainer one day state in interview that she used to worry about being exploited, but after dancing she realized it was the men they were exploiting. These same principles apply equally to the eye-candy.

It is not a question of whether or not some effort be required to obtain things one is interested in getting. What is in question is why after 2 years someone should never get in drops the things they are interested in getting. The question is after over 3000 hours why should a person only have things to make do with? Why should that amount of time and energy, with purchases of all games to date and extra character slots, only result in being able to get second rate items, or being told to purchase from others the second rate hand me downs they do not want or have room to store? You seem to feel that a person should not be able to in all that time find things they want to use through regular game play. If I want something gold I pretty much have to go to the damned chests to get some req 13, 2-off max gold with a 1 off max mod, that does not work with any of my characters, and does not have any skin I could want. But at least they are usually worth 200g. I just did Chasing Zenmai and Welcome to Cantha with a friend who just finished Consulate Docks with his Ele. From Docks to Vizunah Square to Zenmai to the AmFah, we did not have one drop of coin and only a blue and a few white drops.

Antheus · Oct 07, 2007, 10:59 PM // 22:59

Did you try completing Zen Dajun mission, and going through Mayhem again?

Kahlindra · Oct 08, 2007, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by Fitz Rinley

Hence, it is now a device for elitist snobs in denigrating other players rather than something which all players have and can readily, through reasonable, In-Game (and through game only) play get.

True. Every time I see someone without Legendary GM Cartographer I denigrate the hell out of them. I won't team with them, won't talk to them, won't even let them stand in the shadow of my leetzor cartographer. Oh wait...... I'm lying.

As has been stated over and over and over, cartography can be done without exploiting, modding or ruining anyone else's gameplay. I've done it, and so have countless other players.

Please stop trolling the same nonsense over and over.

Saraphim · Oct 08, 2007, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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This is a lie. I have reached and uncovered everything available on the same maps on the net, with the exception of 0.3% in the Boardwalk that was locked off during the Dragonfest.

A lie ?

Hmmm.. My ele is Tyrian

She does not have Shing Jea Arena (interior)
She has not deliberately mapped Viz Square mission
She doesn't have the Local Quarter of the above
She hasn't used any (now closed I believe) necrotic traversal exploits in Raisu Palace
She never got banished by Shiro and hugged the area there.
She does have most of the boardwalk from the dragon festival event.

Yet she has 100%

Guess that makes me a liar as well then? I'll happily send you a 1920 x 1200 screenshot of my Canthan map if you're still convinced people who disagree with you are liars.

Esan · Oct 08, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

I can confirm that foreign characters can in fact enter Vizunah Square local as I just did it less than a minute ago. The instructions on the wiki are correct. You need Zen Daijun and you must accompany one local char.

MagmaRed · Oct 08, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Fitz does not want to get GMC.
Fitz does not want to get rare gold item drops.

Fitz wants to complain about it, and ignore what he has been told.

Mohnzh · Oct 08, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Fitz, I've never ever seen anyone being "elitist" for carrying around a GMC title. Seriously, you have a bunch of people saying that they have not used exploits or visitted areas that were designed to be for local characters only and still have GMC. They are liars? Or you just aren't as good and thorough as you think you are. Quit trolling and admit that it is possible that you are wrong.

Fitz Rinley · Oct 08, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

I am not wrong. And tomorrow I will start going into Vizunah Square mission and mapping it. I already have it mapped - but since I can't possibly have mapped it right when I and a friend went in with heroes and henchies from opposite quarters on a special arrangement - I will go in like a regular person. I will be sure to let the other team know that Magma Red said it Will not have any affect on their mission whatsoever. So, it is ok for me to ignore the action and just map casually thru the scenario, after all Magma Red said so.

Because what you do not get is that using their supposedly good advice does not work either. This if you do this you get good drops. If you compare map pictures you can tell what your missing. I can tell - I am missing a part of Shing Jea monastery I was locked out of during the Dragon Festival. I have everything else. So, unless GW provides an alt-key combo that shows what part of each region you are missing while you are in it or the percentage displays on call when you are in that region, then yes they are all liars. Their methods do not work without exploits and cheats. And mapping by traveling thru and seeing the graphics the team worked to create is more important and should have greater value.

The drops do not happen. It does not matter how much you kill, whether you farm or don't farm, whether you just play through the missions and quests repeatedly, whether you bop along with others while they do, - they drops don't happen. As I stated: I was with a friend who just went to Cantha. I too had a character that just moved to Cantha at the same time. We did the first quest and Chasing ZenMai. We received no gold - I do not mean gold items, I mean we did not get any cash drops during the entirety of both quests. He specifically remarked on it - I am used to not getting crap. When I merched I got a couple blue, a few whites, and body parts (collectable stuff). That for fighting all the way to Vizunah, then to Zen Mai, then to the Undercity, then thru the end of the quest, then, ... The drops suck. The game has always sucked in this way, since the day I got it.

HayesA · Oct 08, 2007, 04:00 AM // 04:00

I'm confused. If you don't like the game, or how hard it is to get a title, or how the drops continueally suck... why do you STILL play it? That's like living on a street with a big bully at the end of the drive. And everytime you go near him, he punches you. But it's very easy for you to find another oute that doesn't take you near that big bully. Yet you say "but he's a big bully, and i'm a cool person. He/She should leave me alone." And keep walking his way.

Seriously, if you find it THAT hard, and you really do find all these faults in the game. Why do you keep playing it?

Angelic Upstart · Oct 08, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

LMAO Fitz you crack me up, either stop playing the game if it makes that unhappy or get your head down , stop bitching and get on with it, either way would be a good idea, because your post are making you look more and more ridiculous.

freekedoutfish · Oct 08, 2007, 07:28 AM // 07:28

As far as I knew, aslong as one of you had that quest to enter the local quarter it should work. And vise versa for the foreign quarter!

N E D M · Oct 08, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

lol u need to hug the wall better dude and spin in a circle when you get into a pointy area

Gli · Oct 08, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Hugging walls isn't enough in Cantha. You have to passionately make love to them all night.

Really, I found mapping Cantha a lot tougher than the other continents, it has a lot more points where you need to wiggle around a certain spot for a while to clear some fog.

Oct 08, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

It would be great if there werent so many titles that werent so tedious and utterly boring to achieve and the cartography titles are in this category. Sure it could be seen as an achievement and takes a lot of time and work but it sure aint fun. I always thought that games were supposed to be fun, go figure.